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Episode 100 – Katie Goar

By |2026-02-10T02:57:20+00:00January 23rd, 2026|Podcasts|

Katie Goar on Leadership That Lifts, Not Labels: Why Housing Stability Is a Leadership Issue

Leadership doesn’t always begin in boardrooms or policy briefings.

Sometimes, it begins with survival.

In the 100th episode of The Covert Code Podcast, host Anna Covert sits down with Katie Goar, President of Quadel and a nationally recognized leader in affordable housing and community development.

Featuring Katie Goar for this milestone episode was intentional. Her work and story embody the authority this podcast aims to showcase: leadership grounded in personal experience, long-term perspective, and prioritizing impact over appearances.

Katie Goar’s TEDx talk, her leadership at Quadel, and her advocacy for housing systems that prioritize dignity, compliance, and real outcomes have made her widely known. However, she shaped her perspective on leadership long before her career started.

It started when she was eleven years old.

Katie Goar’s Early Experience with Housing Instability

Katie Goar’s leadership philosophy is not theoretical.

As a child, Katie and her siblings experienced homelessness and housing instability—living in a tent, preparing food without a kitchen, and sleeping on the ground. At the time, they made a pact never to speak about it. Not out of embarrassment alone, but out of fear that being overheard could separate them from one another.

That silence followed them for decades.

When Katie Goar took the TEDx stage in 2024, she broke it—for the first time publicly, and for the first time in front of colleagues who had worked alongside her for years without knowing her backstory.

What emerged was not trauma for performance, but clarity: housing is not charity—it is infrastructure.

That moment reframed not only how audiences understand affordable housing but also how leadership itself should be defined.

Why Housing Stability Changes Everything

One of the most resonant moments in this episode comes when Anna Covert shares a story from her work with the Boys & Girls Club in Hawai‘i.

A child arrived every day, went to the back of the room, and slept.

Staff eventually realized why: it was the only place the child felt safe enough to rest.

That insight mirrors what Katie Goar has seen repeatedly in her career. When people live with constant instability, everything becomes a threat—decision-making, risk tolerance, trust, and even hope.

Housing stability is not about comfort.
It is about safety.

And once safety exists, everything else—education, leadership, contribution—can follow.

From Lived Experience to National Housing Leadership

Today, Katie Goar leads Quadel, a national consulting and compliance firm that supports housing authorities, nonprofits, developers, and public agencies across the United States.

Her work focuses on strengthening housing programs through:

  • Regulatory compliance

  • Operational efficiency

  • Program accountability

  • Scalable systems that actually serve people

The demand is overwhelming.

In one recent case discussed on the podcast, over 18,000 applicants applied for just 300 housing vouchers—a stark illustration of the supply crisis facing communities nationwide.

This is not a failure of effort.
It is a failure of capacity.

Contrary to popular narratives, the majority of people using affordable housing today are employed—teachers, paramedics, nurses, and service workers—priced out of the very communities they keep running.

As Katie Goar explains, the story the public hears has not caught up with reality.

The Cost of Labels—and Why Language Matters

A central theme in this episode is the danger of labeling.

Homelessness is not an identity.
It is a condition—often temporary.

When communities reduce people to labels, solutions stall. But when they focus on systems—access, affordability, services—progress becomes possible.

Katie Goar points to succeeding cities not because of ideology, but because of leadership: local coalitions, shared funding responsibility, and a willingness to address the issue head-on rather than displace it.

The difference isn’t politics.
It’s execution.

What the Future Demands from Leaders

Looking ahead, Katie Goar highlights what many housing experts call the silver tsunami: a rapidly growing senior population lacking affordable housing, adequate retirement savings, or access to long-term care.

Without intervention, housing instability will increase—not decline.

The solution requires:

  • Local champions

  • Community buy-in

  • Thoughtful design

  • Willingness to build, not just debate

Saying no to housing development doesn’t preserve communities—it accelerates displacement.

As Katie notes, the communities that succeed are the ones willing to think beyond short-term discomfort and toward long-term stability. Why Katie Goar’s Leadership Matters

Katie Goar’s story resonates because it bridges lived experience with systems leadership.

She leads with empathy but operates with rigor.
She honors complexity—without paralysis.
And she invites others to join the work.

That is leadership that lifts, not labels.

If you want to follow Katie Goar’s work or continue the conversation, you can connect with her here:

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 ABOUT HOST ANNA COVERT

Anna Covert is the host of The Covert Code Podcast and author of The Covert Code—Mastering the Art of Digital Marketing and The Solar Coaster. With over two decades of experience in digital marketing and business strategy, Anna has worked with companies including Microsoft, Apple, and IBM and leads Covert Communication, Hawai‘i’s largest digital agency.

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Episode 99 – Tony Martignetti

By |2026-01-21T18:42:11+00:00January 16th, 2026|Podcasts|

What if your greatest challenges could become your most powerful leadership tools? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with Tony Martignetti—change catalyst, bestselling author of “The Campfire Lessons” and “Climbing the Right Mountain,” global keynote speaker, coach, and host of The Virtual Campfire Podcast.

Tony Martignetti headshot featured on The Covert Code Podcast, leadership coach, bestselling author, and change catalystMeet Tony Martignetti

Tony Martignetti is a leadership coach, entrepreneur, idea generator, people connector, and curious adventurer. He brings together practical experience, formal training, and deep curiosity to elevate leaders and equip them with the tools they need to navigate change with confidence and clarity.

Tony is driven by a passion for helping people find clarity in their lives so they can feel energized, fully present, and unstoppable. When leaders unlock their potential and lead from a place of inspired purpose, they create meaningful impact—not only for themselves, but for everyone around them. This belief is at the heart of Tony’s work and the mission that guides everything he does.

Before becoming a coach, Tony built a career in finance and strategy, working with some of the world’s leading life sciences companies. Along the way, he also managed small businesses and founded a financial consulting firm, giving him a well-rounded perspective on leadership across corporate, entrepreneurial, and advisory environments.

Through his story and work, Tony shares three powerful lessons designed to help others move from where they are today to where they truly want to be—both professionally and personally.

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Episode 98 – Dave Chauhan

By |2026-03-20T20:37:24+00:00January 10th, 2026|Podcasts|

What does it take to lead with confidence when the world keeps shifting and the path forward isn’t clear? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with Dave Chauhan—author of “Captain, Set Sail,” founder of The Nautical Leadership Model™, and co-founder of Purple Spark Advisory. Discover how Dave helps leaders navigate change with clarity, courage, and purpose, using maritime principles to guide modern leadership challenges. Learn why uncertainty doesn’t have to mean paralysis, how to set a clear course when the waters are choppy, and why purpose-driven leadership is the compass that keeps organizations on track through turbulent times. Whether you’re steering a startup, managing a team through transformation, or simply seeking to lead more confidently in unpredictable environments, Dave’s nautical approach to leadership will provide the navigation tools you need to chart your course with conviction.

Dave Chauhan portrait in gray suit smiling against studio background, leadership strategist and author featured on The Covert Code Podcast discussing navigating change and business leadershipMeet Dave Chauhan

Dave Chauhan is a leadership strategist, author, and speaker known for helping leaders find clarity and composure in times of change. Over 17 years across industries, including manufacturing, infrastructure, technology, and design, he led large teams through disruption and discovered a powerful truth: traditional leadership models built on control and certainty no longer work.

That realization inspired Nautical Leadership, a values-driven framework that redefines leadership as navigation, not command. It centers on three timeless anchors: The Beacon, The Wayfinder, and The Seafarer.

In his debut book, Captain, Set Sail: A Nautical Guide to Leadership in an Uncharted World, Dave shares this model as a compass for modern leaders seeking to move beyond burnout and bureaucracy toward meaning, connection, and purposeful direction.

Blending the rigor of strategy with the empathy of storytelling, Dave’s approach offers a calm, credible alternative to hustle-driven leadership, one grounded in humanity, resilience, and courage.

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Episode 97 – Dennis Meador

By |2026-01-10T01:40:56+00:00January 2nd, 2026|Podcasts|

What if your voice could become your most powerful business development tool? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with Dennis “DM” Meador, CEO & Founder of The Legal Podcast Network, who’s helping attorneys build authority and scale their personal brands through strategic podcasting, positioning, and consistent content.

Dennis Meador featured guest on The Covert Code Podcast, professional portrait of CEO and founder of The Legal Podcast Network discussing podcasting, authority building, and personal brandingMeet Dennis Meador

Dennis ‘DM” Meador has been an entrepreneur since he was a teenager, building businesses in everything from shoveling snow to SEO before finding his fit helping attorneys share their voices. A lifelong communicator, from his years as a pastor to his decades in marketing, DM believes the best ideas don’t come from selling; they come from conversations.

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Episode 96 – Devra Wathen

By |2026-01-10T01:43:11+00:00December 26th, 2025|Podcasts|

What does it really mean to live well in today’s fast-paced world? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, recorded from my Oahu battleship, I sit down with Devra Wathen, a Honolulu-based creative who brings a grounded, real-world perspective on authenticity, intentional living, and the power of meaningful connection. Discover how creativity, connection, and intention shape the way we show up, contribute, and create lives of genuine vibrancy. Learn about the pivotal moments that shaped Devra’s journey, the daily habits that keep life meaningful, and why community and creativity aren’t luxuries—they’re essential ingredients for human flourishing. Whether you’re seeking more purpose in your work, deeper connections in your relationships, or simply a more intentional approach to daily life, Devra’s insights will remind you that living well is an art form we can all cultivate.

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Episode 95 – Jack Fonderwhite

By |2025-12-24T08:00:33+00:00December 19th, 2025|Podcasts|

What if elite athletes and business leaders had access to a healing methodology that bridges rapid recovery with long-term performance resilience? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, recorded from my Oahu battleship, I sit down with Jack Fonderwhite, National Board Certified Diplomat of Acupuncture, electro-acupuncture specialist, and creator of the Peak Mind Method.

The Covert Code Podcast episode featuring Jack Fonderwhite discussing the Peak Mind Method, high-performance healing, electro-acupuncture, and elite recovery strategies recorded in OahuMeet Jack Fonderwhite

Jack Fonderwhite is a National Board Certified Diplomat of Acupuncture and creator of the Peak Mind Method, a revolutionary approach to high-performance healing. Inspired by his experience as a multi-sport athlete in Japan, Jack founded Jackupuncture to help elite athletes and business professionals achieve peak performance through innovative techniques that bridge Eastern medicine with Western neurophysiology. Specializing in rapid recovery, chronic pain resolution, and neurological optimization, Jack provides evidence-based treatments that give high performers their competitive edge from the inside out.

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Episode 94 – Raj Khedun

By |2025-12-17T19:00:49+00:00December 12th, 2025|Podcasts|

What if a 90-second strategy could transform your sleep, reduce stress, and unlock your full potential? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, recorded from my Oahu battleship, I sit down with Raj Khedun, a London-based wellness and relationship coach, transformation expert, and manager at Keep Fit Kingdom—an organization on a mission to help one billion people live to 100 with joy and vitality.

Raj Khedun, a London-based wellness and relationship coach and creator of the 3:3 Insomnia Hack, featured on The Covert Code Podcast discussing sleep, stress relief, and personal transformation.Meet Raj Khedun

Raj Khedun from London, UK, is an inspired manager at Keep Fit Kingdom, which has a mission to help a billion people reach 100 years happily and to realize the healthiest version of themselves!

He’s an avid well-being and transformation coach and also the inventor of the 3:3 Insomnia Hack, which has a dramatic impact on healing insomnia, as well as stress and anxiety, within 30–90 seconds. His mission is to solve the global insomnia and sleeping disorder pandemic, which affects 800 million people.

He’s also specialized in relationship coaching for the last 15 years.

His infectious energy uplifts everyone because he’s excited to make a positive difference whilst helping people fulfill their potentials and make dreams happen!

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Episode 93 – Adam Witty

By |2025-12-08T17:35:22+00:00December 5th, 2025|Podcasts|

What if your expertise could become your most powerful business asset—amplified through the pages of a published book? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with Adam Witty, 6x author, speaker, consultant, and Founder & CEO of Advantage—the authority company.

Guest in a navy suit and orange tie featured on The Covert Code Podcast with Adam Witty discussing book publishing, authority-building, and thought leadership.Meet Adam Witty

In 2005, Adam founded Advantage Media—creating a done-for-you system to simplify book publishing for busy business leaders. What began in the spare bedroom of Adam Witty’s home turned into thousands of customers in 50 U.S. states and 13 countries.

Adam’s innovative approach to publishing attracted Forbes, leading to a 2017 partnership that launched Forbes Books, the exclusive publishing imprint of Forbes Magazine. In the years following, Advantage’s success attracted partnerships with SXSW and Entrepreneur to launch SXSW Books, Entrepreneur Books, and Entrepreneur Authorities. In 2025, Advantage acquired Performance Publishing, strengthening its ability to serve aspiring thought leaders while expanding its portfolio of authority-building imprints.
Adam appeared on the prestigious Inc. 30 Under 30 list of America’s Coolest Entrepreneurs in 2011.

Additionally, Advantage has made the Inc. 500/5000 list six times and made it on to Inc. Regional’s 2025 list of fastest-growing private companies. Adam has appeared in USA Today,
Investor’s Business Daily, Wall Street Journal, and on ABC and FOX. In 2012, the Chilean government selected Adam to judge the prestigious Start-up Chile! entrepreneurship competition.

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Episode 92 – RJ Grimshaw

By |2025-12-01T19:55:34+00:00December 1st, 2025|Podcasts|

What does it take to grow a company from $14 million to over $250 million in assets—and then pioneer AI-driven business transformation for other leaders? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with RJ Grimshaw, an American business leader, entrepreneur, and executive coaching expert who’s at the forefront of AI-powered leadership.

RJ Grimshaw professional headshot for The Covert Code Podcast, featuring the business leader known for scaling UniFi Equipment Finance and pioneering AI-driven leadership strategies.Meet RJ Grimshaw

RJ Grimshaw was the former president and CEO of UniFi Equipment Finance from 2013 to December 2023. During this time, he spearheaded a remarkable transformation. Under his leadership, UniFi witnessed a meteoric rise in assets, skyrocketing from $14 million to an impressive $250 million.

RJ is also a leading authority regarding the Intrapreneurship Operating System (IOS). RJ is also certified by Coach Micheal Burt to speak, train, and teach “The Person of Interest” philosophy.

RJ also currently serves on the Equipment Finance Cares Board and is a past executive director for the Equipment Leasing and Finance Association.

Prior to his impactful tenure at UniFi, Grimshaw held a series of senior leadership roles at EverBank and Key Equipment Finance, where he honed his skills in steering organizations toward success.

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Episode 91 – Rev. Kevin T. Taylor

By |2025-12-01T19:48:28+00:00November 21st, 2025|Podcasts|

What happens when faith meets finance and strategy aligns with purpose? In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, I sit down with Rev. Kevin T. Taylor—faith-driven executive, author of “A Charge to Keep,” pastor, and coach for mission-driven leaders. Discover how Kevin’s two decades of experience in education, nonprofit strategy, and organizational growth have taught him to help leaders create lasting impact by aligning purpose with performance. Learn the immutable leadership lessons that bridge the worlds of faith and business, why mission-driven organizations need both heart and strategy, and how to lead with conviction while delivering measurable results. Whether you’re leading a nonprofit, building a faith-based organization, or simply seeking to infuse your work with deeper purpose, Kevin’s insights will transform how you think about leadership that matters.

Kevin T. Taylor HeadshotMeet Rev. Kevin T. Taylor

Kevin T. Taylor is a pastor, educator, and executive leader who bridges the sacred and the strategic. Since 2021, he has served as Pastor of Israel A.M.E. Church in Albany, NY, where his ministry blends worship, justice, and innovation through initiatives like Speaking Truth to Power Tuesdays and the Summer Literacy Challenge. Beyond the pulpit, Kevin brings over 20 years of C-suite and nonprofit leadership experience, including roles as Chief Finance & Talent Officer at the Connecticut RISE Network, Interim CEO & CFO of Greentown Labs, CEO of City on a Hill Charter Public School, and COO of KIPP Massachusetts. A proud Tuskegee University alum, he has been honored by Marquis Who’s Who (2025), 100 Men of Color, and the National Council of Negro Women. Through preaching, teaching, writing, and community service, Rev. Taylor equips organizations and congregations for spiritual growth and lasting transformation.

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