Episode 111 – Carly Foy
Carly Foy on the Future of Programmatic Advertising and Why Most Brands Are Getting It Wrong
Digital advertising didn’t start with precision.
It started with guesswork.
Buying placements.
Hoping for reach.
Assuming the right audience was watching.
But today?
Everything has changed.
In this episode of The Covert Code Podcast, Carly Foy from StackAdapt breaks down how programmatic advertising evolved—and why most brands still aren’t using it correctly.
From Guesswork to Precision Targeting
Traditional media buying relied on assumptions.
• “This audience watches this show”
• “This demographic reads this publication”
But programmatic changed everything.
Now, advertisers can:
• Target based on behavior
• Use contextual AI to match content
• Deliver ads in real-time environments
The shift?
From placement-based buying → to audience-first strategy
Why Contextual AI Is a Game-Changer
One of the most powerful tools discussed is contextual targeting using AI.
Instead of relying on outdated categories, platforms now offer:
• Analyze page content in real-time
• Use natural language processing
• Match ads to true intent
Example:
“Java” ≠ always coffee
Could mean programming
Modern systems understand that nuance.
That’s the difference between the following:
👉 Showing ads
👉 Showing the right ads
The Biggest Mistake Brands Still Make
Here’s the reality:
Most brands are still operating in silos.
They focus on:
• Performance OR awareness
• Clicks OR impressions
But not both.
Carly makes it clear:
👉 You cannot scale performance without awareness
👉 You cannot sustain awareness without performance
The two must work together.
The Truth About Attribution (That No One Wants to Admit)
This is where it gets real.
Not everything can be tracked.
And trying to track everything?
👉 Creates bad decisions
Key takeaways:
• Post-click ≠ full story
• Post-view matters
• Attribution windows must align across channels
• Over-crediting platforms is a real issue
The biggest insight:
👉 Data should guide decisions—not replace judgment
The Rise of First-Party Data
With privacy changes and signal loss, brands must adapt.
The advantage now goes to companies that:
• Own their customer data
• Build direct relationships
• Use apps and CRM systems
• Create stronger remarketing loops
First-party data isn’t optional anymore.
It’s the competitive edge.
Fraud, Transparency, and Trust
One of the most important conversations in this episode:
👉 Digital ad fraud is real—and growing
Carly shares how platforms combat this issue through the following methods:
• Human verification systems
• Inclusion lists
• IP filtering
• Third-party verification (like DoubleVerify)
• TAG certification
But the key takeaway?
👉 Ask better questions about where your ads run
Why Programmatic Is Still Just Getting Started
Despite everything, programmatic is still evolving.
What’s coming next:
• AI-driven predictive outcomes
• Smarter attribution models
• Better cross-channel alignment
• Hyper-personalized creative
And most importantly:
👉 A shift toward smarter—not just more—data
Connect with Carly Foy
LinkedIn: https://www.stackadapt.com/resources/author/carly-foy
StackAdapt: https://www.stackadapt.com/
Podcast Transcript: Carly Foy on Programmatic Advertising
Episode Topic: Programmatic Advertising
Podcast: The Covert Code Podcast
Host: Anna Covert
Guest: Carly Foy
[00:00] Anna Covert: Aloha. My name is Anna Covert. And this week on The Covert Code Podcast, the topic is programmatic advertising, and my special guest is Carly Foy from StackAdapt.
[00:14] Anna Covert: Thanks so much for being here with me today, Carly.
[00:18] Carly Foy: Thanks for having me!
[00:20] Anna Covert: To kick things off, can you share your cliff notes version of how you got to where you are today?
[00:28] Carly Foy: Absolutely. I’ve been in the digital advertising space for over a decade, working across different platforms and roles, but programmatic has really become my focus over the past several years. At StackAdapt, I work closely with clients to help them understand how to leverage programmatic in a strategic and effective way.
[00:52] Anna Covert: That’s awesome. So let’s start with the basics—what exactly is programmatic advertising?
[01:00] Carly Foy: Programmatic advertising is essentially the automated buying and selling of digital ad space in real time. It allows advertisers to target specific audiences using data, rather than just placing ads on specific websites and hoping the right people see them.
[01:21] Anna Covert: That’s such a big shift from traditional advertising, right?
[01:25] Carly Foy: Exactly. It’s moved from placement-based buying to audience-based targeting. Instead of saying “I want my ad on this site,” you’re saying “I want my ad in front of this type of person,” regardless of where they are online.
[01:44] Anna Covert: That makes so much sense. So where does AI come into play?
[01:50] Carly Foy: AI is a huge part of programmatic. It helps analyze data, optimize campaigns, and even understand context. For example, contextual AI can determine what content is on a page and match ads accordingly. So if someone is reading about coffee, it might serve a coffee-related ad—but it’s smart enough to distinguish between “Java” the programming language and “Java” the beverage.
[02:18] Anna Covert: That’s incredible. So what do you think most brands are getting wrong when it comes to programmatic?
[02:26] Carly Foy: One of the biggest mistakes is treating awareness and performance as separate strategies. They really need to work together. You can’t expect performance without awareness, and awareness alone won’t drive results without a performance strategy behind it.
[02:45] Anna Covert: That’s such a good point. Let’s talk about attribution—because I feel like that’s something a lot of marketers struggle with.
[02:55] Carly Foy: Absolutely. Attribution is one of the biggest challenges in digital marketing. Not everything can be tracked, and trying to track everything can actually lead to misleading conclusions. You have to look at both post-click and post-view data and understand how different channels contribute to the customer journey.
[03:20] Anna Covert: So it’s not as simple as “this click led to this sale.”
[03:25] Carly Foy: Exactly. It’s much more complex than that. Multiple touchpoints influence a decision, and attribution models need to reflect that.
[03:37] Anna Covert: What about first-party data? That seems to be a big topic right now.
[03:43] Carly Foy: It is. With increasing privacy regulations and the decline of third-party cookies, first-party data is becoming more valuable than ever. Brands need to build direct relationships with their audiences and leverage their own data to stay competitive.
[04:02] Anna Covert: That makes sense. Let’s talk about fraud—because that’s something I hear about a lot.
[04:09] Carly Foy: Yes, ad fraud is definitely a concern. But there are ways to mitigate it. Platforms like StackAdapt use various tools and partnerships to ensure brand safety and minimize fraud, including verification systems and inclusion lists.
[04:27] Anna Covert: That’s reassuring. So what does the future of programmatic look like?
[04:33] Carly Foy: We’re going to see even more AI integration, better personalization, and more advanced attribution models. The key will be using data intelligently—not just collecting more of it.
[04:49] Anna Covert: That’s such a great takeaway. Carly, thank you so much for being here today.
[04:55] Carly Foy: Thank you! This was great.
[04:58] Anna Covert: And to all my listeners, thank you for tuning in. Don’t forget to subscribe, and I’ll see you next week in the pixels. Aloha!




